Subud Symbol

A Man Cannot Picture What He Really Needs

Talk ref: Not on list - closest ref - 59 GRS 01 - 59-09-20 - Garstang, UK

Extract from Bapak’s talk at Garstang, England, Sept. 13th 1959. From SUBUD CHRONICLE June 1961.

As printed in Subud Voice (Jan 99)


There is evidence that most of you still stress the importance of your own interests, and this can be seen through questions put to Bapak. Such as: "How can I become happier than I am now? How can I receive good luck? What is going to happen in the future?"

This kind of question indicates that the person is more attached to the importance of his own progress, rather than to submission and faith and trust in the power of God. In this way a person spoils the reality of his worship of God, because he pays more attention to his interests to things in this world than to what God might indicate for his happiness.

In this way if a person receives indications they will relate to his own interests, but not to his true inner interests. But when man truly submits to God, God knows the requirements for man on this earth and hereafter. When man has the qualities that belong to a true inner nature, then he acts like the example of Abraham. This illustrates that we must firstly love God with sincerity.

What will you sacrifice?

For example when Bapak was being tested, Bapak was asked by God: "What will you sacrifice?". Bapak replied that he would sacrifice everything, his own soul, his inner feeling, in order to come to true worship of God.

After this Bapak had to suffer disasters. He had to leave his work and forsake all pleasures, and his own family and friends thought him unwell mentally. But Bapak determined that he should love God - with the result that he went easily through all his difficulties. Many things appeared to him impossible, like his journey round the world and how to provide for his family, but all the difficulties dissolved. Now Bapak has gone round the world twice and has given to man what he must give.

You must not, however, try to imitate Bapak, but rather practise to follow the workings of God from within. At the right time, God will indicate what is necessary. We should make ourselves examples of right living.

Then Bapak hopes for all here to be sincere and truly submit. In ordinary life, don't give way to your heart or give up under difficulties. Because then you educate yourselves to be insincere and you diminish your submission to God. By attachment to trivialities you forget yourselves. When your attachment to family, possessions and property is more valuable than your submission to God, then at death these attachments will drag you down, because the qualities that dominate you belong to this world. Giving way to the cries of your heart and your own interests, rather than to the love of God, will keep you in this world. But if rightly submitted at death, man will return to that level that accords with God’s will for him.

For the questioner there is no benefit

It is to be regretted that many questions are put to Bapak concerning bad luck, marriage, the right type of partner, etc. It is much to be regretted, because then people look on Bapak as a ‘fortune teller’, whereas Bapak should rather be regarded as a pioneer who opened the way to find the right path in this world and the hereafter. This should be made known.

There is no disadvantage for Bapak to answer questions, but for the questioner there is no benefit. A man cannot picture what he really needs, so he should simply surrender. It is not what one thinks is necessary, but what God gives both for this life and the hereafter that really matters. Trivial questions should not be put to Bapak, since his task is to spread what he has received from God to enable people to stand on their own feet. Through this awakening there will be a process which will rectify the entire nature of man, inner and outer, and will purify all defects in due course.

It is not required to listen to Bapak’s advice, but to be independent and to receive directly. All want to know the meaning of their experiences.

Also, Bapak receives about 30 letters a day. Soon, perhaps he will receive a thousand from all around the world. This will be a disadvantage to questioners, who will receive answers to satisfy worldly needs. If this goes on, Bapak will be unable to eat or sleep. Bapak hopes you will take note of this and that you will follow your exercises regularly. You may experience doubt, anxiety and worry, but in reality, the heart that knows doubt is one that is being influenced not by the higher but by the satanic forces.

When man is influenced in this way he will worry about his worship. Don't give in to worry. Simply let it take its course. But you must worship, because in this way you become clear of the lower forces. A heart influenced by lower forces will only be satisfied by gaining the upper hand, etc.

The exercises here are pretty good, but you don’t yet know the true condition. Later, with true submission, you will experience more direct guidance and indications from within. When you don’t have these qualities you will be more interested in worldly things. Later worship will be first, above all interests. When man has this attitude more, his own interests will not be forgotten.

First, love God: and secondly your own interests. Because God knows the requirements for man, both here and in the hereafter. If man submits, then, God will see to all his welfare. Bapak hopes we will follow the exercise for the rectification of all faults.




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